Touch Of Grey > | 1989-10-20 | Grateful Dead

490

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	44	6
7d	81	11
30d	490	65

5:39:09

17 tapes

12/30SBD

122

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	7	51m
7d	13	2
30d	122	15

2:51:09

15 tapes

12/28SBD

126

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	6	31m
7d	0	0m
30d	126	15

2:36:17

15 tapes

12/27SBD

284

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	96	12
30d	284	35

2:44:54

16 tapes

12/10SBD

197

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8	53m
7d	45	6
30d	197	24

5:11:22

16 tapes

12/09SBD

131

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	6	55m
7d	45	5
30d	131	16

2:32:27

11 tapes

12/08SBD

131

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1	9m
7d	56	7
30d	131	17

5:21:35

12/06SBD

380

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	2
7d	33	5
30d	380	54

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	1
7d	63	11
30d	375	68

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	1
7d	10	1
30d	154	22

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1	7m
7d	36	5
30d	231	30

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2	11m
7d	1	8m
30d	157	21

214

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	47	7
7d	19	2
30d	214	31

576

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	38	5
7d	183	18
30d	576	60

177

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	16	2
7d	48	7
30d	177	26

399

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	3
7d	23	3
30d	399	47

193

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	45	5
30d	193	24

112

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3	15m
7d	13	2
30d	112	13

138

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	20	3
7d	10	1
30d	138	18

192

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	24	3
7d	45	6
30d	192	26

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	54	7
7d	138	20
30d	876	122

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	13	1
7d	101	12
30d	458	52

5:02:28

18 tapes

10/01SBD

655

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	34	4
7d	76	10
30d	655	84

2:36:21

8 tapes

9/30SBD

138

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	23	3
7d	39	5
30d	138	18

2:20:25

9/29SBD

Alpine Valley Music Theatre

372

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	3
7d	70	9
30d	372	46

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	0	0m
30d	22	2

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	20	2
7d	104	12
30d	411	47

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	15	2
30d	48	5

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	18	2
7d	41	6
30d	217	34

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	3	22m
7d	47	7
30d	249	34

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	5	44m
7d	35	5
30d	69	9

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	8	1
7d	107	15
30d	414	58

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	15	2
7d	52	7
30d	386	53

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	23	2
7d	83	9
30d	455	48

2:45:58

9 tapes

7/19SBD

East Troy, WI, USA

1.6k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	71	10
7d	308	45
30d	1.6k	221

5:33:06

17 tapes

7/18SBD

Alpine Valley Music Theatre

East Troy, WI, USA

994

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	42	5
7d	115	13
30d	994	114

5:08:53

14 tapes

7/17SBD

Alpine Valley Music Theatre

East Troy, WI, USA

2.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	154	17
7d	476	54
30d	2.4k	277

2:49:35

16 tapes

7/15SBD

Deer Creek Music Center

Noblesville, IN, USA

345

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	4	28m
7d	64	8
30d	345	47

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	12	2
7d	21	3
30d	278	41

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	31	4
7d	111	14
30d	332	43

341

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	26	3
7d	85	11
30d	341	45

624

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	39	6
7d	128	18
30d	624	87

2:50:34

18 tapes

7/07SBD

John F Kennedy Stadium

2.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	100	15
7d	387	56
30d	2.2k	323

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	111	14
7d	402	49
30d	1.8k	208

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	44	6
7d	177	23
30d	971	122

2:44:28

21 tapes

6/21SBD

584

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	65	9
7d	111	15
30d	584	76

3:16:36

13 tapes

6/19SBD

553

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	50	6
7d	76	10
30d	553	69

3:03:42

9 tapes

6/18SBD

468

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	43	6
7d	126	17
30d	468	64

3:04:24

Oakland-Alameda County Stadium

5/27SBD

11.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	21	3
7d	185	23
30d	11.2k	1.4k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	16	2
7d	39	5
30d	467	55

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	98	10
7d	59	6
30d	949	98

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	66	8
30d	209	25

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	27	3
7d	91	11
30d	537	67

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	2
7d	116	14
30d	386	45

2:40:47

Metropolitan Sports Center

4/17SBD

Minneapolis, MN, USA

256

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	15	2
7d	51	6
30d	256	30

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	25	3
7d	81	10
30d	294	36

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	14	1
7d	4	29m
30d	264	31

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	19	2
7d	50	6
30d	324	37

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	15	2
7d	78	9
30d	216	24

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	38	5
7d	59	8
30d	274	37

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	107	13
7d	164	20
30d	956	117

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	44	5
7d	273	30
30d	761	85

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	26	3
7d	88	10
30d	849	104

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	47	6
7d	240	32
30d	1.3k	175

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	48	5
7d	100	11
30d	385	41

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	12	1
7d	73	8
30d	541	57

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	2	13m
7d	77	8
30d	619	69

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	11	2
7d	10	1
30d	311	41

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	12	1
7d	70	9
30d	534	67

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	31	4
7d	51	6
30d	588	75

2:33:19

Club Front - Grateful Dead Studio

3/01SBD

San Rafael, CA

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	0	0m
7d	4	3m
30d	20	42m

1:26:05

1 tape

2/12SBD

423

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	40	5
7d	75	8
30d	423	49

2:41:03

13 tapes

2/11SBD

422

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	1	3m
7d	77	9
30d	422	52

2:44:52

2/10SBD

Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center

428

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	24	3
7d	96	13
30d	428	59

2:40:26

12 tapes

2/07SBD

Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center

362

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	47	5
7d	70	9
30d	362	43

2:39:25

7 tapes

2/06SBD

Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center

348

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	23	3
7d	67	7
30d	348	39

2:28:06

8 tapes

2/05SBD

Ante Up - Built to Last interview

1.2k

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	117	14
7d	255	31
30d	1.2k	150

2:31:14

17 tapes

1/01

Various, Various

Playback	Listens	Hours
48h	10	19m
7d	11	23m
30d	55	2

23:08

1 tape

Sources

Taper: Don Pearson and Dan Healy

3:12:42

SBD

Taper:

Don Pearson and Dan Healy

Transferrer:

Charlie Miller

gd1989-10-20.147902.UltraMatrix.sbd.cm.miller.flac16

UltraMatrix SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90)

Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > dBpoweramp > Adobe Audition CC2015 > Samplitude Pro X4 Suite > FLAC/24

Don Pearson and Dan Healy

View NotesAll Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
[email protected]
October 17, 2019

Notes:
-- Recorded by Don Pearson and Dan Healy
-- Two sets of masters were used to make this show complete
-- This file set is 16 bit @ 44.1

Taper: Don Pearson and Dan Healy

3:12:42

SBD

Taper:

Transferrer:

Charlie Miller

gd1989-10-20.147749.sbd.ultramatrix.miller.flac24

UltraMatrix SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90)

Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > dBpoweramp > Adobe Audition CC2015 > Samplitude Pro X4 Suite > FLAC/24

gd1989-10-20.dts.tobin.123591.flac16

View NotesAll Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller
[email protected]
October 17, 2019

Notes:
-- Recorded by Don Pearson and Dan Healy
-- Two sets of masters were used to make this show complete

Transferrer: Kevin Tobin

DTS Audio 5.1; SBD (shn id 83317) SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Tascam 122mkII) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC/16 All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller + AUD (shn id 123584) MAV (Taped by Peanut Production camera crew);Nak 300 Shotguns -> 0 Decks -> Panasonic AG-7400 -> S-VHS Master

S-VHS Master -> Sony SLV-R5UC -> Panasonic AG-7400 -> S-VHS 1st Gen. Transfer: S-VHS 1st Gen. -> Panasonic AG-7150 -> Canopus ADVC-100 -> iMac Core 2 Duo -> Final Cut Pro 6 -> Compressor 3 -> BHP -> Adobe Audition 3.0 -> R8Brain Pro -> CDWave - mixing by Kevin Tobin

gd1989-10-20.123590.mtx.tobin.flac16

View Notes---------------------------------------------------------
- Mixed by [email protected]
- FLAC conversion 25-JAN-2013 - Trader Little Helper
- Tagged 25-JAN-2013 - Tag&Rename
---------------------------------------------------------
Audio Patches:
1) Between Tennessee Jed and Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again, 19.486 seconds were added to the soundboard so that it matched the audience.

-------------------------------------------------------
Front  
Left Channel SBD  -0db
Right Channel SBD -0db

Center
Mixed to mono -0db SBD

Surround
Left Channel -0db AUD
Right Channel -0db AUD

Sub/LFE
Mixed to mono -0db SBD
--------------------------------------------------------------
More On DTS

Today's audio standards are moving towards multi-channel
sound, like DTS and Dolby Digital. While the Audio-CD
standard (Red Book) hasn't changed to accommodate these
new sound formats, it is still possible to go around the
specification and to put a 5.1 surround recording on a
regular Audio-CD. To play a DTS-Audio-CD you must connect
your DVD/CD player via a digital cable (optical or coaxial)
to your DTS Dolby-Digital receiver. It is not 100% sure
that your receiver will recognize a DTS-Audio CD, so the
first time you're trying to playback a DTS-Audio-CD you
must do a test to determine if it can. Begin with the
volume very low, start the disc and raise the volume
gradually. NEVER listen to a DTS-Audio-CD through the
analog audio outputs of your CD/DVD player.

Burning Instructions

Burn them the absolute same way as you would burn any
normal Audio-CD from FLAC files.

Brokedown House Productions

Transferrer: Kevin Tobin

Matrix 2 Source Mix - SBD (shn id 83317) SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Tascam 122mkII) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC/16 All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller + AUD (shn id 123584) MAV (Taped by Peanut Production camera crew);Nak 300 Shotguns -> 0 Decks -> Panasonic AG-7400 -> S-VHS Master

gd1989-10-20.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83317.sbeok.flac16

View Notes---------------------------------------------------------
- Mixed by [email protected]
- FLAC conversion 25-JAN-2013 - Trader Little Helper
- Tagged 25-JAN-2013 - Tag&Rename
---------------------------------------------------------
Multitrack Mixdown Settings

SET ONE

Stereo Matrix
SBD 0
AUD +1

SET TWO

Stereo Matrix
SBD 0
AUD +1
---------------------------------------------------------
Audio Patches:
1) Between Tennessee Jed and Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again, 19.486 seconds were added to the soundboard so that it matched the audience.

Brokedown House Production

Transferrer: Charlie Miller

SBD -> Cassette Master (TDK MA-XG90) D

Cassette Master (Tascam 122mkII) -> Apogee MiniMe (24bit/48k) ->

gd1989-10-20.111527.sbd.BEAR.gems.flac16

View NotesPatch Info:
(2) Nakamichi 300/CP4 + (2) Nakamichi 100/CP1 -> Cassette Master -> CD
The Other One Jam (9:13 - 9:22)
Wharf Rat (4:12 - 4:29)

Notes:
-- Set 2 is seamless
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the tapes
-- Patch source recorded By Steve Cherson
-- This was the longest show of the year

Transferrer: Jamie Waddell

SBD Master Cassettes recorded by BEAR; Transferred and Mastered by Jim Blackwood; Tracked in CDWAV Tag&Rename for Meta_Data TradersLittleHelper for FLAC Level 8 by Patrick White

gd1989-10-20.sbd.clugston.tetzeli.fix-13032.34579.shnf

View Notes- Patch in Wharfrat by Jamie Waddell supplied by the CM source. BEAR used a 100 min tape for the longest show of 89 by chance, and has a different tape flip spot. Encore from CM source as weLL. Slight crossfade in drums space

a **GEMS** Production www.shnflac.net  January 2011

Transferrer: Bill Tetzeli

Soundboard

Fix of shnid 13032 by Bill Tetzeli

gd89-10-20.sbd-matrix.clugston.13032.sbeok.shnf

View Notes-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fix of shnid 13032

I made the transition between CDs 2 and 3 seamless and fixed the resulting SBEs using shntool.  Thanks to Scott Clugston for providing the overlap that made this fix possible.

Bill Tetzeli ([email protected])
4:55 PM 4/8/2006
-------------------------------------

Source 8 of 22

Ultra-Matrix Soundboard DAT > Cassette > DAT > CDR

gd89-10-20.dsbd.eD.7641.sbeok.shnf

View NotesUltra-Matrix Soundboard DAT > Cassette > DAT > CDR; Audience source supplies first 0:48 of "Hey Pocky Way" (d2t01); Alternate Sbd source supplies balance of "Hey Pocky Way" (d2t01) as well as the first 4:46 of "Scarlet Begonias" (d2t02);Patching / CD Mastering by Scott Clugston EAC'ed / SHN'ed by Scott Clugston; to abgd via terrapin flyer

Source 9 of 22

DSBD>C?>DAT>CDR

Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller

View NotesDSBD>C?>DAT>CDR; via eD O'Connor

Taper: Jim Vita

gd1989-10-20.164837.beyer.m160.vita.miller.clugston.flac2496

Jim Vita's Master Audience Cassettes; Beyer M160 mics > Sony D5M (Maxell XLII-S)

Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2022 > TLH flac2496

Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Jim Vita (RIP) for the master cassettes
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Ted Mattes and the folks responsible for the Schoeps CMC4 MK4 source which supplies a 0:27 patch in "Drums", as well as a 0:09 patch in the "Wharf Rat > Sugar Magnolia" transition
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
December 2022

Taper: Jim Vita

gd1989-10-20.164836.beyer.m160.vita.miller.clugston.flac1648

Jim Vita's Master Audience Cassettes; Beyer M160 mics > Sony D5M (Maxell XLII-S)

Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2022 > TLH flac2496

Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Jim Vita (RIP) for the master cassettes
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Ted Mattes and the folks responsible for the Schoeps CMC4 MK4 source which supplies a 0:27 patch in "Drums", as well as a 0:09 patch in the "Wharf Rat > Sugar Magnolia" transition
- Pitch corrected

Mastered by Scott Clugston
December 2022

Taper: Ted Mattes

gd1989-10-20.142563.fob.schoeps.cmc4.mk4.mattes.miller.clugston.flac1648

flac16/48kHz; Source Info: Ted Mattes' Master (FOB)Audience Dat; Schoeps CMC4/MK4 mics @ 110 degrees, ORTF, Schoeps t-bar, hand held, chin high > Monster Cable Interlinks > Oade capacitor P/S > Panasonic SV-250 (16-bit/48k); Transfer Info: Master Dat (Sony PCM-R500)> Tascam DA-3000 (16-bit/48k) > .wav(16-bit/48k)> Adobe Audition 3.0 > TLH 1648

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Ted Mattes for the master Dat recording
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort

Mastered by Scott Clugston
July 3, 2018

Source 13 of 22

3:19:40

gd1989-10-20.154035.mtx.photoleon.flac166

Matrix by Photoleon

gd1989-10-20.149682.DAK.boedicker.flac1644

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Ted Mattes for the FOB DAT recording.
- Thanks to Charlie Miller & Scott Clugston for processing Ted's DAT.
- Thanks to Bear for the SBD recording.
- Thanks to Jim Blackwood & the GEMS team for processing Bear's board.
- Thanks to Don Pearson and Dan Healy for the SBD recording
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer.
- Thanks to Jack Schlottman for the critique.
- Source #3 was only used to patch the first :15 seconds of ToG & for a :50 second gap (8:31-9:18) in TOO jam & to fill in some gaps in between songs during the first set.
* First California Earthquake
- Last Other One Jam 8/13/75

Taper: Dave Boedicker

Source:DAK Shotgun Mics>Sony WM-D6C Cassette Deck>2 Maxell MX-90 MinuteMetal Cassette Master Tapes>Sony TC-D5M Cassette Deck(Playback)>Edirol R-09 HR(24/44.1 KHZ)>Cd Wav Editor>Traders Little Helper>Flac Level 8.Sector Boundaries Aligned Using Traders Little Helper.Taped By Dave Boedicker,Official Taper Section,Section 107,Row 5,Seat 20.

5.1 LPCM Surround Sound Mix (48k) by Kevin Tobin

View NotesNotes:

1)Tape Flip After "A Little Light"(No Music Missed On Next Song "Tennesee Jed")

2)1st Second Clipped On Start Of "Stagger Lee"

3)1st Second Cipped On "Promised Land"

4)Tape Flip During "The Other One Jam"

5)Tape Flip After The Last Jam Part Of "The Other One"

Lots Of Warts And All This Night.It Was Hard That Night For Analog Tapers Who Brought Only 2 90 Minute Tapes.

Regardless,Enjoy!!!!

Transferrer: 5.1 LPCM Surround Sound Mix (48k) by Kevin Tobin

3:10:47

Transferrer:

gd1989-10-20.147739.5-1.tobin.flac1648

5.1 LPCM Surround Sound Mix (48k)

gd1989-10-20.123584.NAK300.tobin.flac16

View Notes---------------------------------------------------------
- Mixed by [email protected]
- FLAC conversion 17-OCT-2019 - Trader Little Helper
- Tagged 17-OCT-2019 - Tag&Rename
---------------------------------------------------------
Brokedown House Production

Transferrer: Kevin Tobin

MAV (Taped by Peanut Production camera crew);Nak 300 Shotguns -> 0 Decks -> Panasonic AG-7400 -> S-VHS Master

Lenny Stubbe and Craig Hillwig

View Notes---------------------------------------------------------
- Mixed by [email protected]
- FLAC conversion 24-JAN-2013 - Trader Little Helper
- Tagged 24-JAN-2013 - Tag&Rename
---------------------------------------------------------

Brokedown House Production

Taper: Ted Mattes

gd1989-10-20.120500.mk21.sbeok.flac16

Source: Schoeps CMC5/MK21> ? > DAT (probably Schoeps CMC5/MK21> Oade P/S > Panasonic SV250) (48 khz); Location: FOB;

Sony PCM-2600(S/PDIF)>Sound Devices 722 (16/48)> Firewire>Macbook>Sound Studio 3.6(fades, normalize peak, +gain, track)> Wave Editor 1.5.6 (iZotope Resampler)> xACT 2.18(encode, align on sector boundaries, tag, fingerprint)>flac16 (level 8 ); DAT clone (2) provided by: Craig Hillwig; Transferred and seeded by: Lenny Stubbe

gd1989-10-20.120499.mk21.48khz.flac16

View Notes- First California Earthquake, in response to the 10/17/89 "Loma Prieta" Earthquake that hit the Bay Area. It was played once more three days later in Charlotte
- The DAT was faded and paused during the encore break. I removed a small portion of silence and added a fade back in
- 48k version exists

Seeded to etree on:

06/06/2012

Taper: Craig Hillwig

flac16/48kHz; Source: Schoeps CMC5/MK21> ? > DAT (probably Schoeps CMC5/MK21> Oade P/S > Panasonic SV250) (48 khz); Location: FOB;

Sony PCM-2600(S/PDIF)>Sound Devices 722 (16/48)> Firewire>Macbook>Sound Studio 3.6(fades, normalize peak, +gain, track)> xACT 2.18(encode, tag, fingerprint)>flac16 (level 8 ); DAT clone (2) provided by: Craig Hillwig; Transferred and seeded by: Lenny Stubbe

View Notes- First California Earthquake, in response to the 10/17/89 "Loma Prieta" Earthquake that hit the Bay Area. It was played once more three days later in Charlotte
- The DAT was faded and paused during the encore break. I removed a small portion of silence and added a fade back in
- 44.1k version exists

Seeded to etree on:

06/06/2012

Transferrer: Jeff Bowen;Brad Foster

Jeff Bowen;Brad Foster

gd1989-10-20.nak300.juteau.116721.flac

Source: (OTS) Nakamichi cm300/cp4's > Sony TCD-D10;

DAT/M > DA-P1 > HHb 800 > EAC > CDWav > FLAC; Recorded: Gene Juteau; Transferred: Jeff Bowen; Extraction: Brad Foster

gd1989-10-20.mtx.seamons.102200.sbeok.flac16

View NotesNotes:
- The first of only two live versions of 'California Earthquake'
- Tracked by set, burn to disc however you please.


-- Thanks to Gene for sharing his master!
Thanks to Jeff for sharing his transfer!
All discs extracted in secure/range mode, seamlessly joined to one file and re-tracked by set.
Log and cue files included.
Enjoy!

Transferrer: Hunter Seamons

Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Final Cut Pro (FLAC>AIFF>Final Cut>WAV>FLAC)

Source 21 of 22

Source 22 of 22

gd1989-10-20.aud.rumrunners.99071.shnf

possibly Shure M57s > MAC

MAC > > burned to standalone Pioneer burner > ripped with DAC > shinned with MKW